Massachusetts residents chopping wood or pouring bags of pellets into a wood stove know first-hand how efficient (or in-efficient) their heating source is. A quasi-state agency is making a push to replace the oldest of these wood stoves with newer models.

Steve Pike heads the Massachusetts Clean Energy Center, which runs a wood-stove rebate program. We asked him what’s in it for residents to get their old stove replaced.

Click the audio link above to hear Henry Epp’s interview with Steve Pike of Massachusetts Clean Energy Center.

Correction: This story originally misidentified the interim CEO of the Massachusetts Clean Energy Center as Steve Pick.